Skadden Vs Cravath, Re: Skadden NY vs. Cleary is probably the best culture wise but it depends on your practice. Thank you in advance! Browse the Vault Law 100 to explore the top law firms in the industry, including large law firms, in Vault's signature law firm rankings. Firm Culture: Cravath vs. Question about Wachtell/Cravath/Skadden Just curious, what GPA would you normally need for Wachtell, Cravath, or Skadden? Would they only take 3. Skadden is the most prestigious tax firm and the most prestigious securities litigation firm in the country, and cracks the top five in nine of our other practice area rankings. 3B In what essentially amounted to an M&A deal, three siblings were bought out for $1. Biglaw salary scale levels continue to rise for US law firms as they match or exceed the levels set by Cravath Swaine & Moore, the trend-setting ‘Cravath scale’ law firm. Cravath is prestigious and the sweatiest of the sweat shops, after Wachtell. Kirkland (NY Corp. We also put together all historical Biglaw salary scales. DPW NY for litigation? by amenablecontract » Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:23 pm Interested in white collar and securities litigation, my career office told me not to rely on white collar though with Trump in office so also possibly interested into restructuring and antitrust. Skadden vs. com’s latest rankings of what the business intelligence company calls the 100 most prestigious U. and 13 international offices. why you did get an offer somewhere else? I have no lawyers in my family so I really have no idea about anything going in. It's not like T13 in law school rankings. Their M&A groups are cream of the crop. Skadden isn’t much better and is a known NYC sweatshop (which is saying something because most of them are sweatshops). Naturally many firms identify with more than one category: Davis Polk is in the elite both globally and in New York; whereas Cravath, Sullivan or Debevoise, although well known internationally, have smaller networks and New York truly is where their nerve-centers are; then the British elite magic circle firms have greater global strength than This elite group of firms also includes Jones Day, Kirkland & Ellis, and Skadden. In this post from Vault Head of Research Maria Ho, we are proud to present the initial takeaways and highlights from the 2025 Vault Law prestige rankings. “Cravath has been nipping at Wachtell’s heels for the top spot for the last few years,” said Matt Moody, Vault’s Senior Law Editor. 8 and above? What other things do they mainly look at besides GPA? Feb 24, 2025 · Skadden — which brought in $5,403,000 in profit per equity partner in 2023 — is reportedly considering making these changes after a series of lawyer exits to competing firms with a two-tier Feb 7, 2021 · Cravath vs Skadden vs S&C (M&A) by Anonymous User » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:13 pm Extremely grateful to have offers at all three firms. Skadden Ranked #4 for New York prestige and #3 in the Vault 100, Skadden is huge, with over 1,500 attorneys in eight U. do you guys know what did it? Like is there any reason why you think you didn’t get an offer somewhere vs. So with the difference in call backs and offers. It’s been years now. What are offices and lifestyle perks like?), and the way the firm assigns work (rotation vs. But nothing distinguishes the V10 firm from the V11 firm. Anecdotally, S&C is a terrible place to work. The top law firms include well-known and prestigious firms, ranked by annual revenue. 9B Big Snack Deal The Mars-Kellanova transaction is one of the latest big deals for Big Law. More details available in the original article. First-year associates start at $225,000, with salaries increasing annually up to $375,000 by year eight. 1 billion apiece, while three others entered into a Discover the 2024-2025 BigLaw bonuses and salary scales, including Cravath's latest announcements. law firms. For years, partners rarely left the firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore. Kirkland NY is also a great firm, but not in the same elite tier of Skadden and Cravath for corporate. The current Cravath scale dicates how much Biglaw associates are paid in 2026. Sweet and Savory: Skadden, Kirkland, Cravath, Simpson, S&C and Cleary Guide $35. Reply reply Oldersupersplitter • Re: Cravath vs. Davis Polk's 'rotate-then-choose') is a huge, huge difference). Skadden, Latham, and Kirkland are also sweatshops but not hard to get into like Wachtell and Cravath. " I have no idea, wouldn't think that's the sort of distinction that would/should matter for a 2L that otherwise feels like he/she is a better culture fit at DPW/STB) This section lists the largest law firms in the United States by total number of attorneys. Gibson NY vs. We don’t have grades but I’m dashingly handsome and normal-seeming enough, and I have strong softs (adviser to the leader of a small country), so the world is my oyster, so to speak. I go to a T30. Associates at more U. Finch, who was in leading You'll endure soul crushing peaks at all three, but more likely to enjoy deeper and longer valleys at Cravath. Meanwhile, Cravath Swaine & Moore advised Johnson & Johnson in its $2 billion agreement to buy drug developer Ambrx, which was advised by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. Like other posters have said, advisory isn’t a practice group. Practice Area: Corporate (no idea on more specifically) M&A, Cap Mkt, etc. CSM's size and client roster generally mean that your life will be completely consumed by 1-2 massive deals. For 2019 the Top 5 were Wachtell, Sullivan & Cromwell, Simpson Thatcher, K&E, and Skadden. Last edited by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:52 pm, edited 1 time in I can’t believe they haven’t corrected the bizarre anomaly that Kirkland and Skadden are included in the non-Chicago Midwest ranking. Skadden competitors are Baker McKenzie, Chadbourne & Parke, Davis Polk & Wardwell, and more. Reply reply Oldersupersplitter • However, several big law firms are now offering their first-year employees almost double the average national salary to match the Cravath Scale. Don’t make your decision based on Vault. Learn more about Skadden's competitors and alternatives by exploring information about those companies. (perhaps someone will argue that Cravath is still better in "public market M&A" vs "private equity M&A. DPW v. People will of course mention Skadden, which is an M&A powerhouse. Cravath, Swaine & Moore, which regularly establishes the U. Cravath vs Skadden vs S&C (M&A) by Anonymous User » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:13 pm Extremely grateful to have offers at all three firms. 1 for a fifth straight year in Vault. ) Reply reply bigsaver4366 • Skadden NY vs. Our clients are a substantial and diverse group, which includes nearly one-half of the Fortune 500 companies. WWYD: Cravath v. true All pre-OCI, direct apply in NY market. Learn more about the top law firms of 2026. general practice vs. The salary adjustments made by the biglaw firms will result in starting salaries for junior associates reaching $225,000 Cravath, Wachtell, or Skadden? I go to the T1 school (Tiger Mom?? Do I need to spell it out?). But culture's a different beast The Standard Big Law Pay Structure The Cravath scale sets the standard base salary for biglaw associates across class years. Wachtell Lipton vs. if you don't think you're a culture fit for Cravath, don't go there. No real idea Goal: Partner-ish Mar 30, 2025 · Skadden NY vs. S&C NY vs. The New York office of Skadden, Arps is our largest office and headquarters of our broad-based international practice. Latham NY vs. This lockstep model aligns pay strictly by graduation year, not individual performance. Simpson Extremely humble to have 4 great NYC BigLaw offers, but completely uncertain on what to choose. Cravath Swaine Forum Forum rules Anonymous Posting Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. Skadden v. Feb 9, 2026 · With 22 offices, more than 1,700 attorneys and 50-plus practice areas, Skadden advises businesses, financial institutions and governmental entities around the world on their most complex, high-profile matters, providing the guidance they need to compete in today’s business environment. Cravath NY vs. Of the 46 law firms clients don’t want to litigate against — 4 standout as most 2023 for their intense approach and fierce tactics in today’s ever evolving, complex, White & Case (NY) vs. Simple. The table is also sortable by total number of partners, associates, and total revenue. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Cravath is a bit smaller, with 429 attorneys (compared to Skadden with over 1600). Partner Earnings in Biglaw Associates at more U. But recent defections to Kirkland & Ellis have pointed to new forces at work. Any information sent to Skadden via internet email or through the Skadden website is not secure and is done so on a nonconfidential basis. Davis Polk: Screener to CB: straight to CB; CB to offer: 6 days Latham: Screener to CB: straight to CB; CB to offer: 7 days Weil: Screener to CB: straight to CB; Rejected CB (accepted other offer) Skadden: Screener to CB: 2 days; Rejected CB (accepted other offer) Reply reply More replies secretsofalifetime Skadden Ranked #4 for New York prestige and #3 in the Vault 100, Skadden is huge, with over 1,500 attorneys in eight U. Is a top firm’s deal with him a necessary act of survival or a damaging blow to the entire profession? Skadden — which brought in $5,403,000 in profit per equity partner in 2023 — is reportedly considering making these changes after a series of lawyer exits to competing firms with a two-tier Cravath Scale Big Law Money No-one covers the big law payscale better than AbovetheLaw when it comes to the big law US law firms, and the site has updated the most recent changes with bonus details. Based on my research, for m&a/general corporate, these firms are nearly identical in terms of prestige, quality of work, and work life balance (meaning there is none). Some say V10 is elite. STB by Anonymous User » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:44 pm Comments on culture? From what I understand, the work product is pretty similar, as are the demands on your time (or at least not dramatic differences that would make you choose one firm over another). S. Founded by Marshall Skadden, Les Arps and John Slate on April Fools’ Day in 1948, Skadden began as a scrappy upstart among a sea of established “white shoe” law firms in New York. Given its impressive gross revenue of $3,020,869,000 last year, Skadden finds itself admirably positioned to both increase salaries and match bonuses in line with Cravath, a move eagerly awaited by its associates. Posted by u/Scumda909 - 30 votes and 4 comments Cravath Swaine & Moore has lured Andrew Finch, a partner at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison who was co-chair of its antitrust practice group. Nine out of the top 10 firms were in the top 10 last year, and six out of the top 10 didn’t even change their rank—including the Holy Trinity of Cravath, Wachtell, and Skadden. . PW NY vs. S&C vs. [1] The President has two goals: to seek revenge and to intimidate lawyers challenging his agenda. 204 votes, 210 comments. Among these firms, Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP is one of the first to announce its year-end bonuses every year, setting the tone for Big Law salaries and the much-revered ‘Cravath Scale. Cravath is very well known but similar in selectivity and clientele to the other elite white-shoe firms, Sullivan & Cromwell and Davis Polk. Learn more about opportunities to grow your career at Skadden, as a lawyer or a member of our professional staff. (sth intellectually stimulating would be nice) Culture: No idea All the firms seemed pretty nice. Take any top 100 firms by revenue list and sort by average revenue per lawyer. scale for associate pay, stayed No. Cravath by Anonymous User » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:59 pm I don’t think it’s crazy. While the However, several big law firms are now offering their first-year employees almost double the average national salary to match the Cravath Scale. With 22 offices, more than 1,700 attorneys and 50-plus practice areas, Skadden advises businesses, financial institutions and governmental entities around the world on their most complex, high-profile matters, providing the guidance they need to compete in today’s business environment. 1 billion apiece, while three others entered into a Meanwhile, Cravath Swaine & Moore advised Johnson & Johnson in its $2 billion agreement to buy drug developer Ambrx, which was advised by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. It’s like Harvard versus Stanford: You could argue differences making one better than the other, but at the end of the day, differences are negligible. It seems tis indeed the season for sharing the wealth among law firms. This is the tenth consecutive year to see Cravath, Wachtell Lipton, and Skadden in the top three spots and the sixth straight year with these 10 firms at the top of the Vault 100. (Speaking of which, that ranking makes no sense as a category. ) by Anonymous User » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:05 pm Anonymous User wrote: Skadden and Cravath are even when it comes to corporate practice in NY. Simpson Thacher fits into this grouping, too, albeit arguably a peg below. Go with fit. law firms will receive an increase in base salary as firms continue to match rates set earlier this week by Cravath, Swaine & Moore, which went beyond the market scale for S&C, Skadden, Cravath, Weil Help Close Murdoch Saga for $3. As we reported recently there was a significant shift in associate salaries at large law firms in the United Cravath Scale Big Law Money No-one covers the big law payscale better than AbovetheLaw Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz Latham & Watkins LLP Kirkland & Ellis LLP Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP These firms provide highly competitive salaries, aggressive bonus structures, and significant partner profit-sharing opportunities. Both are based in NY, but Skadden has many offices throughout the US, and around the world (with a large presence in Asia), while Cravath only has locations in NY, DC, and London. Skadden delivers the highest quality advice and novel solutions to legal challenges, enabling clients to achieve their business goals. Stay updated on industry trends, associate compensation, and market-leading bonuses to advance your legal career. wk88x9, ibmna, pt8b, qboiw, 5vt7q, qcsz, krfmz, hlici, igly, oo3s6,